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- Subject: Re: help with 5 month old golden retriever puppy
HOWEDY mary beth you miserable lyin dog abusing
punk thug coward active acute chronic long term
incurable MENTAL CASE,
Mary Beth wrote:
> "Aticineto"
>
> > My now 5 month old golden retriever, Brody, is
> > turning out to be quite a challenge.
>
> Welcome to the normal golden at age 5 months! :)
That's INSANE, mary beth. Oooops!
> Are you going through the training WITH him?
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
> If not, it's much better to do so, than have somone
> else train him, then train you. It's easier if you
> learn together.
Sez you, mary beth? Hey mary beth? Remember when
your own dog ran HOWET on you and never came back
and you had to ABANDON IT in the MHOWENTAINS???
> > We are having him professionally trained and he
> > is making progress in some things. He'll sit
> > and stay whle I get his meals ready and won't
> > go to the dish until I tell himn "okay." He'll
> > stay on his bed when put there unitl we give him
> > the "okay," and he doesn't try to eat the furniture,
> > crapeting, walls, etc.
>
> You've got a great little guy, if that's all okay by now!
Yeah. Great little guy. So HOWE COME is he askin for HEELP mary beth?
> > He still jumps on people as they come in, pulls on the leash,
> > won't "give" or "drop" when told to, and, most frustrating to me is
> > the biting. I know he is still a young puppy and a lot of this is
> > typical of the hyper breed.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> A "Golden Retriever" is NOT a 'hyper breed', not by a long shot.
> You'll hear from many others, with real 'hyper breeds'. Heh.
Yeah. But they're your LYIN DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE PALS, mary beth.
> I have a 14 yo golden retriever,
Yeah. He's got cancer.
> who still runs all around and even will try to jump on
> me when I come in, and sit down. However I *encourage*
> it with him,
On accHOWENT of she can't train IT not to do that.
> (not for my lab gal).
Seems the dog was already trained not to jump.
> Now, that's a 'hyper breed' especially at 5 months.
> Anyone who has a Lab will gladly trade those months
> in with a Golden! LOL
That's INSANE.
> > One thing that concerns me is that I think he may see himself as
> > Alpha in my relationship with him, so I have been doing different
> > exercies to establsih myself as the leader - making him sit as I go
> > through the doorways first, ignoring him when I get home and he jumps
> > up, eating first (I tried gesture eating from his bowl with a cracker
> > but felt real silly doing so - LOL).
>
> He's not seeing you as 'alpha' anything. Seems to me your
> pet *loves* you and loves to interact with you more so than
> anyone else in the house.
"Familiarity breeds contempt".
> trust me, they know who is 'boss'.
You're a LIAR a DOG ABUSER and MENTAL CASE mary beth:
"MaryBeth" <marbe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "MaryBeth" <marbe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote in message
>
> > Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M.
> > Holmes ?????
>
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie
> M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
> MB <G>
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian who is a real
sweet dog with a few issues that I am working to resolve after
adopting her from a shelter she spent 2 years in. All I want
is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual. My dog has
ACTUALLY been responding to her training. The deal is you
have to seperate your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the manual what you
want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of the whole Jerry
thing. I have to say the guy is pretty clever, you're letting
him get under your skin. It makes for a very amusing game I
think. I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far, using the
Witts End, I have gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to look
to me for direction, to wait for me to say when. I have
changed her from an aggressive dog to one who is willing to
please her owner, willing to listen, willing to assume her
role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?
------------------------------------
MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)
(super psycho bitch lunatic queen of the
mentally F'd in the head)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid,
MaryBeth has suffered from or been:
TIDAL WAVES OF PMS
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
--MaryBeth
ME NOT SO HORNY
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."
--MaryBeth
NEW TO GROUP
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>
WASTED 10 YEARS
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
WAS HORRIBLE
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"
--MaryBeth
========================
> I don't put much into those theories, and I've
> only had *pets*, not shown nor did agility, etc.
> All of my dogs love me, they know who feeds them,
> walks them, takes the time to *be down on the
> floor with them....ahem...* again! :)
Yeah. And you give your neighbor's EXXXTRA leashes
for when your dogs ESCAPE your HOWES <{); ~ ) >
> Whenever Rudy was trying to bite, I took a toy, placed
> it by his face, while getting my hand out of there, and
> saying "No bites", *saying*, not talking loudly. He got
> started on this one at about two days after I got him,
> at 8 weeks old. Once he got it tho, he 'got it', for good.
>
> So if you asked, for a few years there, when he was really
> young, for "No bites", he mistakenly learned that it meant
> 'put a toy in your mouth and play with me'. <g>
BWEEEEAAHAHAHHHAHAAAA!!!
> > Last night he did a couple of things really interesting. I went to
> > feed the bird and left im in the living room with my mom and told him
> > to stay on his bed so he wouldn't follow me. He stayed there the
> > whole time I was in the other room, even whined, but would not leave
> > his place, wenn when my mom gave him the okay. I was happy with
> > that, but other times, he won't stay the whold time I am in the other
> > room, so this is hit and miss right now.
>
> This is GREAT that he wouldn't 'release' for your mom, it really shows how
> much he's bonded with *you*, if he'll only do it for you, he is in NO WAY
> trying to show his 'alpha-ness'. He knows you're the one training with him,
> taking your time with him, notice, all the 'with him's? That's the real key
> to having a well rounded, well trained adult Golden who will be the center
> of attention anywhere he goes....just ask My Rudy....<G> (I find myself
> saying that as opposed to Janet's lil' Rudy. :) )
janet's little Rudy has been in trainin for four
months and is unfit to be acceptable for a new
family.
> > Also, I usually lay on the couch to watch television in the evenings
> > and he will settle down (on the rug or his bed) as well. Last ngiht
> > I was in the reclineer, and he was walking back and forth
> > restlessly. Just as an experiment, I went to the couch, and sure
> > enough, he laid down as well. Why would he not lay down while I am in
> > the recliner, but lay down the second I went ot my usual spot (maybe
> > he wanted me in my ususal "place?").
>
> Yup, dogs LOVE repetition!
That's INSANE.
> They don't like their 'schedules' changed too much.
> He'll get used to going to sleep if you stay in the
> recliner. But, for me? I'd get on the couch anytime
> for/with my boy. :)
>
> Hope this helps a bit, and most of all, *cherish* the time
> you have with this young pup! In no time at all, Rudy got
> to be 14! Yikes!
>
> All the best,
> MaryBeth
HOWEDY mary beth you miserable lyin dog abusing
punk thug coward mental case,
Mary Beth wrote:
> > It's not about a properly used machine,
We was talkin abHOWET the SHOCK COLLAR.
> > it's what the machine can do.
Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:
Electrified collar burned family pet
By Cathy Mong
Dayton Daily News
VANDALIA |
A civil lawsuit filed by a Vandalia family on behalf
of its injured dog could set legal precedent in Ohio,
says Dayton attorney Paul R. Leonard, an avowed
animal lover who wants the state to toughen its
penalties for abuse of pets.
Leonard, former Dayton mayor and state legislator
in the 1970s, said the case of Boomer, a 4-year-old
rambunctious golden retriever burned by an electrified
collar, is the first to be filed by his newly formed
Center for Animal Law and Advocacy.
-------------------------------
> it doesn't burn,
HOWER DOG LOVERS tried to say the pictures of the
burn looked like the battery leaked, or that the
pictures were FAKED.
They're a bunch of lying dog abusing MENTAL CASES.
> and it leaves no after-sensation.
From: Shelley (shelleylisab...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: no bark training revisited
Date: 2003-11-06 14:50:21 PST
> Typically, the dog stops barking within seconds.
I have to disagree with this. Not our dog. We tried
one (and never will again). When the doorbell rang,
he would tear over to the door and bark and bark
and bark with this collar on.
He'd end up screaming in pain and it continue to
zap him until it hit its maximum.
I will never torture my dog like that again.
--
Shelley & Rusty
> > It wasn't an evil movie , it's what happens when you
> > accidently turn the knob on your machine the wrong way .
> > Alison
No, it happens EVERY TIME you shock a critter. LIKE THIS:
"JC" <J...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:cUr17.3891$bs2.550009@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> A friend of mine told this story about his experience with
> a shock-collar: Jim's sister-in-law had a shock collar she
> wanted to use on her dog stop it from barking.
> Not being very technical, she brought it over for Jim to
> assemble and adjust. Jim got it all put together and
> decided to try it on himself to see which setting would
> be most appropriate.
> With the collar around his neck, set on minimum, Jim
> tried a little bark... woof. Nothing.... Woof Woof. Nothing....
> Bark. Nothing.... Bark Bark. Nothing... BARK! ZAP!
> The collar worked!
> Unfortunately, the zap was painful enough to
> make Jim scream with pain, which the collar
> interpreted as another bark, which lead to
> another ZAP!
> Which made Jim scream again...
> ZAP...SCREAM...ZAP...SCREAM...
> Eventually, Jim got the collar off but it never
> survived the chance to end up on the dog.
> (Names have been changed to protect the stupid) : )
-------------------
> ACHT, gimma a break jimmy! <G>
HOWE COME you're always DEFENDING HURTING innocent defenseless
dumb critters mary beth you insufferable lyin dog abusing mental
case?
>
> Allison are you still the same one I've talked to about a TENS before?
Yeah. That's the SAME alison who was nearly KILLFILED for
agreein with The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{): ~ ( >
> I've been using a TENS for years, and I've NEVER 'locked my fingers up'.
matty was talkin abHOWET him and his punk thug coward sissy pals
playin with a tens unit at his HOWES. They was wagerin on who would
CHICKEN HOWETA touchin it. REMEMBER NHOWE you freakin insane
hypocondriac?
> Just how *careful* are you when it comes to your own health?
We was talkin abHOWET HURTIN innocent defenseless dumb critters.
LIKE THIS:
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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> If you are that incompetent, I know you're not,
> if you're the same person,
That's alison the CONGENITAL IDIOT. REMEMBER NHOWE you
drug crazed mental case?
> then you should NEVER try an e-collar.
The Geneva Conventions HOWEtlaws them for
use on prisoners of war cause they're CRUEL:
From: micha el
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2004 9:15 pm
culprit wrote:
> "micha el" <spam_yurs...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
>> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
>> Hope's collar.
>> It felt like a bomb going off in my
>> hand and forearm.
> there are different brands of fences, and each one has a variety of
> settings, set to the dog's specific reaction. Lola's collar is set
> to give more juice than Manu's, because she's more likely to ignore
> the buzz, whereas Manu wants nothing to do with it. i have no idea
> what brand or setting Hope's collar was set at.
I'm not Shore myself, but I think it was the
leading brand. Anyway, the reason I got zapped
so bad, is probably because I did it on accident.
So, I wasn't "testing" the collar on myself like
most people do who say that they don't hurt. I
think when you self test, you don't push it
against your skin hard, and you don't put it at
a high level. I was gripping it in my nekkid
hand.
I'll tell you what, I'll Shore never do it
again. I learned my lesson. The collars are
effective.
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
--Lia
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@xxxxxxxxxxxx
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"Susan Fraser" <chinch...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20020208201202.29997.00000402@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Did you try it on your throat? Not very pleasant.
> Umm, yes. As a matter of fact, I did. It the sensation
> is actually much milder than it is on the palm, which
> has sweat glands and so conducts more.
You're full of crap, susan. See your own short
story "Sado Sexual Dog Training By susan fraser -
"Reasons To Earpinch" "
> I've never tried one either,
But you WOULD if you "needed to train a retriever".
culprits dogs MURDERED her own DEAD KAT on accHOWENT
of her shocking them and the dogs blamed it on the kat.
> but to seriously debate about a TENS being = to an e-collar,
> it's what Janet just said, it's about the IMproper = you with
> the TENS, and the proper use of an e-collar = something that
> others here have used for years.
Well then HOWE COME EVERY WON of FRAUDrecks dogs SCREAM and
SHAKE THEIR HEADS EVERY TIME they GET BURNED, mary beth?
> I've no experience with them,
You DON'T NEED EXXXPERIENCE with them mary beth. All you
gotta do is READ THE CASE HISTORY DATA we got RIGHT HERE.
LIKE THIS:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
>
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
------------
> aside from the time I had such a loverly visit with Jane Webb,
You'll notice your PAL jane webb DON'T POST HERE abHOWETS
nodoGdameneD MOORE on accHOWENT of she's a DOG ABUSER:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
Date: 2001-08-14 17:15:25 PST
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
mattburns...@xxxxxxxxx (Matthew Burnside) writes:
Dear Matt:
Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but Jerry
has failed to profit from it.
My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall
PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
is about Jerry.
I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge newbies to
attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I
have learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl,
Diane
Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes,
Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore,
Robin
Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith,
Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/
Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/
Milwaukee, WI 53201
der...@xxxxxxx http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_
--------
THAT'S the list of PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES
professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer "has learned MUCH from"...
> and watched as her deaf dog could romp all around the *many
> boulders* that make up her 'yard' with complete freedom. If
> Jane hadn't used to e-collar, that dog would be confined to
> a leash at all times.
Oh? You mean on accHOWE of SHE DON'T KNOW HOWE to PERIMETER TRAIN her
dog:
From: Momi...@xxxxxxxxx (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting
a modular home here within the next few years... put more
fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play
bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....
~misty
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given you a bum
steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of losing their careers
and reputations.... Jerry.
Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
"misty" <Momi...@xxxxxxxxx wrote in message news:
16990-3CAB1F8...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping
my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
=====================
misty" <Momi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk
around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
our yard again.
The price was too high:-( ~misty
--------------------------------
> She is DEAF, can't hear a thing, nevermind all the
> work Jane puts into her dogs with great training.
From: Jerry Howe
Date: Tues, Aug 31 1999 12:00 am
WebbWeave wrote:
Hello mudhead,
What kind of surprises have you got for us today?
Something pleasantly delightful, I expect...
> This event was held in conjunction with a field trial inByers, CO -
> - about 85 miles from where we are. Long drive -- gave me much time
> for musing. (see subsequent posts -- or not, as you will) Byers has
> three (I believe) paved streets -- each about two blocks long. You
> get off the intertstate and you are on dirt roads. Moon loves (after
> trucks) dirt roads, and had her head out the sunroof the whole way
> (10-12 miles) to the site, all excited.
>
> I felt a bit like a traitor.
If the shoe fits...
> We were instructed to wait at the bottom of a
> small hill upon which the action was happening.
I can hardly wait to find out! Sounds exciting!!!
> Idea was she (Moon) shouldn't see exactly what was going on.
> I could see fine. Also, she isn't deaf -- took just one dog
> to yipe and she was interested.
I'll bet the spca would be interested, too!
> When the second dog yiped, Moon *knew* there was
> Something UpThere that wasn't Good For Dogs.
But you didn't, huh?
> Not that she much cared -- she wasn't up there,
> and there was a lot going on for her to watch.
I'll bet you were getting off in anticipation, weren't you?
> I had her on a choke chain because she backs
> out of her buckle collar with the tags on it.
Can't imagine that you know anything about training. No
wonder your dogs back out of their collars, you are using
too much muscle, and absolutely no brains... You are doing
everything wrong, and you are teaching others to do likewise.
That's piss poor.
> Guy giggled at her ("skinny little neck") while
> fastening on the ecollar.
I wish I could have participated in the revelry.
I'd try some skinny little necks on for size...
> Attached a rope to her (tightened) buckle collar and sent
> us off up the hill. "Just hold the rope up over her back
> (stiff lariat-type rope) and let her sniff around and go
> where she wants."
Is NYC too far for her to want to go from you punks?
> There was a lane mowed in the long grass, and we set off up
> the hill. Moon was sniffing around, wandered into the long
> grass, and I was told to (well, nicely) get on with it. So
> back in the mowed bit. Guided her around downbreeze of the
> snake, who was coiled up looking bored. Moon scented the
> snake, and began to move away.
And you missed the opportunity to BURN her, what a shame.
What happened next?
> This was *obviously* not a friendly animal. Big dark grey rattler -
> - Moon thought it wasn't of much interest. After one nose-wave, she
> was more interested in other smells. She wasn't going to approach
> on her own.
The dogs got more brains than you, what's the problem, are you
jealous???
> The guy said all she had to do was look at it.
> Eventually, she did -- *ZAP!*
Bet you got off, huh?
> Moon let out a yippy little gargle and FLEW. Straight
> up in the air -- her tail was above my head.
Yeah, that's the best part, isn't it? Gets your cookies off!
> The guy said "Jeee-zus." When Moon hit the ground,
> she stuffed her head between my legs.
Poor dog, she doesn't understand that you are her tormentor,
does she? Maybe she does, she'd have to, but just like abused
children, they still love their abusive parents. At least till
somebody smartens them up. I can't smarten up your dogs, but I
can smarten up the people that read here, and you are looking pitiful.
> As instructed, I said nothing, and guided her around again.
> NO WAY was she going to look at that snake.
Too bad, I'll bet you were needing another RUSH, huh?
> Big circle around it. Then we went on up the hill to where
> there was another snake. Guided her near it, and she circled
> again, head averted. Not a glance. The guy kicked the snake,
> who reared up and rattled. Moon chanced a glance -- *ZAP!*
Good, got off again, did you? I'll bet the
dog enjoyed the experience, didn't she?
> She yiped and fell over backward.
That's nice. I like that, don't you?
> Back between the legs.
Poor stupid dog. I'll bet she's wishing one of you were dead.
> I heeled her back past the first snake, and
> she pushed me *very hard* away from it.
I think she was trying to push you into it, to get a taste of your own
medicine.
> By the time we were back at the bottom of the
> hill, no more snakes, she was her perky self.
And you were pleased as a pig in shit, huh???
> We hung around for a while and watched the field trial.
> By the time I put her back in the car, she was fairly
> disappointed she didn't get to run off and find some birds.
The only birds she'll find when she runs off to NYC
are pigeons. You like squab? Same thing.
About the "training" session? The entire job could
be done more effectively using sound and praise.
> Jane Webb
> Mudpie & Moonpie
> http://www.craftsreport.com/august99/onlineexclusive.html
And then you people object when I point out that you are
abusive, rotten pigs? I don't think you quite understand
howe ignorant you really are. I shouldn't beat around the
bush like I tend to do.
> The dog CAN'T HEAR, but a little buzz, such as one would
> get from a *low* setting on the TENS, will have her look
> up right away to follow Jane's hand signals.
If she knew HOWE to TRAIN her dog she'd always keep WON EYE
on her and would NEVER wander off of her own terrortory.
> So, it's not that Jane hadn't trained her dog, she did come
> just fine off leash, but if she CAN'T HEAR the request, how
> could she possibly LISTEN and do as Jane asked.
By training the dog to PAY ATTENTION to her ABUSER, mary beth.
> I felt the e-collar, up there in Colorado,
> and it was a very low TENS setting.
Yeah. Your pal jane webb was JUST TELLIN us all abHOWET it, mary
beth you freakin insane miserable lyin dog abusing punk thug coward.
> Perhaps you don't have any idea of just how beautiful and ROCKY the
> area is around her home, she lives on the side of a mountain, with
> large boulders all around.
INDEED? Hey mary beth? Remember when YOU lived in the
MHOWENTAINS and your own dog RAN HOWET on you an NEVER
CAME BACK for MOORE of your tender lovin care?
BWEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> She has also used her e-collars to snake proof her dogs.
Yeah. The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard trains HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD HOWE to poison proof
and snake proof their dogs in moments withHOWET HURTIN THEM.
> When England grows mountains as high and steep and craggly, and
> you move there, then perhaps you would maybe understand more.
We was talkin abHOWET HURTIN dogs an LYIN abHOWET it, not
MHOWENTAINS and the purrrty scenery mary beth. REMEMBER NHOWE?
> (Oh and if you remember I'm Scottish and know we have many
> craggly somewhat high *hills*, but it's not where you live.)
You're INSANE. We was talkin abHOWET HURTIN DOGS an LYIN abHOWET IT.
> I know you Allison, you're not dumb,
alison is a CONGENITAL IDIOT who works in a dog kennel part
time pickin up poo poo on accHOWENT Of THAT'S the oNLY work
she's suitef for, like yourself, mary beth... only difference
is she's not too obese to pick up poop in a kennel.
> you just have this blanket statement against these collars,
On accHOWENT of they DON'T train dogs to not touch
snakes UNLESS the COLLAR IS BEING WORN, mary beth.
All they do is HURT and INTIMIDATE dogs YOU MENTAL
CASES CAN'T TRAIN.
> and mostly from arguing with others on their correct use.
There AIN'T no way noHOWE to pupperly shock choke beat punish a dog.
Like sinofabitch wrote:
> and being able to see for myself
You're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE.
> that they didn't bother the dogs when they were,
You mean, when they were used to pupperly hurt a dog.
> I didn't really become comfortable with
> them myself until I felt one.
You're a sexual sado masochist and a liar
and a dog abuser, sinofabitch.
> It's not even remotely painful,
You're a lying dog abusing mental case.
> although it can be startling on higher
> levels or if you're not expecting it.
Kinda like walkin across a cold carpet
and touchin the kat. Or like a tap on the
shoulder.
> And it's not a static shock like when you
> pet a cat and get zapped,
That's curiHOWES. The medical grade shock device
company SEZ it's "STATIC LIKE STIMULATION."
> or lightning;
Well perhaps all the REPORTS are "taken HOWETA context," sinofabitch?
LIKE THIS:
sinofabitch writes:
> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> posts from two different people,
Of curse THAT'S a lie.
> took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.
> is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
Here's Jerry's version
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
Here's yours;
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> > Sally Hennessey
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> I would never get into that arguement as I personally have
> no need for them, nor experience with them, in my training
> schedule.
The ONLY trainin you've done is taught your NEIGHBORS
to keep a few of your leashes handy so they can heelp
you RHOWEND up your dogs when THEY ESCAPE.
REMEMBER NHOWE, mary beth???
> I'm not taking sides here on either,
Of curse not! We was just talkin abHOWET the MHOWENTAINS
like where your own dog is still runnin loose. BWEEEAAAHAHA!!!
> as many of these ppl you are so brainwashed against,
You mean the LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE
CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES, mary beth?
> no matter what they say,
They HURT dogs and LIE abHOWET IT JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DO, mary beth.
REMEMBER NHOWE???
> are good ppl and they know how to use them.
Yeah, YOUR PALS, mary beth:
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
--------------------
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish
Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want
To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhealey@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album
lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
"BethF" <b...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
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Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
"BethF" <d...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uohnj3r4a4e85e@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@xxxxxxxxxx
Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@xxxxxxxxxx
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
> But when you bring in something *I* have experience in,
You mean HURTIN dogs an LYIN abHOWET IT you freakin mental case?
> i.e. the TENS, I must say, if you've frozen your fingers with it,
> then you are NOT paying attention, and should think about using
> something else.
WE WAS TALKIN ABHOWET SHOCKIN DOGS TILL THEY SCREAM, FLY UP
IN THE AIR AND FALL OVER BACKWARDS, mary beth. REMEMBER?:
YOUR PAL jane webb wrote:
"Moon let out a yippy little gargle and FLEW. Straight
up in the air -- her tail was above my head. She yiped
and fell over backward.> The guy said "Jeee-zus." When
Moon hit the ground, she stuffed her head between my legs.
> It has worked for me for about 20 years,
That so, mary beth? HOWE COME you're STILL takin
narcotic pain killers and steroids, mary beth?
> and yes, I've turned it up a little BIT, but never
> had the experience you say you've had.
Well then PERHAPS you'd be WILLIN to TRY The Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard's DUAL SHOCK COLLAR CHALLENGE as FRAUDreck or
janet or jane or sinofabitch BURNS THEIR DOGS and YOU can
tell us HOWE IT DON'T HURT, mary beth???
> Sincerely,
> MaryBeth :)
From: Lynn (roudyre...@xxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Shame on all of you!
Date: 2002-09-11 20:47:24 PST
I am quite real thank you very much. I was told how awful
many of you are, so I thought I would see for myself. Yes
Jerry was willing to share his knowledge! He has not tried to
sell me one thing.
He warned us, and I did not quite believe how spiteful you all
are. You are a little gang of kindergarteners who want to
punish those who differ from your beliefs in gimmicks and
painful short cuts.
Yes you got a message by mistake Ms. Boss, heaven forbid! And
you told me without even knowing me I was missing "part of my
deck" for being interested in "The Wits End"!
How dare you! Sorry I am not perfect at posting on boards.
You don't even know who I am, and I have NEVER taken a shot at
you, just watched and listened. Think you are so high and
mighty?
Go ahead, "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!" Obviously
you are one of those wrinkled old biddies I have shown against
who can't keep their hair on straight.
I know of the jerking and pulling going on behind the scenes
because you are working to fast, running to late, and afraid
your poor dog won't stack properly if you don't "jazz" it up.
Poor souls you are.
You want to delete my posts because I did what exactly?????
Blame Jerry Howe for writing a manual, say he is a fake too,
(everyone must be I guess if they don't agree with you), and
condem him for GIVING away something?
I notice you toot your own horn at the end of every post. It's
o.k. for you? I think you all need to grow up and realize you
are in a big world, and there are other answers besides yours.
Still in business, with my own hair and 6 dogs all getting
along playing loose at this moment on my ranch. Oh, this will
really make you mad.... The Rotti, Airedale, St. Bernard
cross, Golden cross, Shetland Sheep Dog, Queensland Heeler,
are all playing and no fights.
Jerry helped me socialize the Rotti with some ideas. The
Airedale is no longer "eating" the other dogs, owners are
thrilled. Dare you to put this combo together. Of course,
a few might have better pedi's than you and it wouldn't work.
I won't spell check so you can pick at me more o.k.?
Lynn
--------
Date: 2002-06-04 22:04:48 PST
HOWEDY marybeth,
"MaryBeth" <marbe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3cfd7144$1_9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "BethF" <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ufqsc1kr41g632@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Hi Valerie
> > most of us have jerry killfiled so he doesn't
> > get under our skin at all
You read my posts first.
> Exactly.
BWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAA!!!
Got me laughin in Spanish...think I'm gonna pee myself.
> But then again only howdy thinks he does.
You've made HUNDREDS of daily posts warning
people about me, as have sindy 'don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, lying lois, ed w of pet loss dot
CON, and a few others.
You and your Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Thugs
are having a group psychotic breakdown just like
lyingdogDUMMY did.
You've been JERRYIZED.
There is a cure and I guarantee you I'm gonna like it.
> And, LOOK!, so does "Val".
Val came here Friday with a dangerous dog and
now has a perfectly well behaved dog 3 days later.
And he'll keep gettin better till he sits the bed.
> Hehehe
"MaryBeth" <marbe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3cfcdcfb$2_8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "MaryBeth" <marbe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote in message
>
> > Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M.
> > Holmes ?????
>
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie
> M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
> MB <G>
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian who is a real
sweet dog with a few issues that I am working to resolve after
adopting her from a shelter she spent 2 years in. All I want
is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual. My dog has
ACTUALLY been responding to her training. The deal is you
have to seperate your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the manual what you
want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of the whole Jerry
thing. I have to say the guy is pretty clever, you're letting
him get under your skin. It makes for a very amusing game I
think. I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far, using the
Witts End, I have gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to look
to me for direction, to wait for me to say when. I have
changed her from an aggressive dog to one who is willing to
please her owner, willing to listen, willing to assume her
role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?
------------------------------------
MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)
(super psycho bitch lunatic queen of the
mentally F'd in the head)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid,
MaryBeth has suffered from or been:
TIDAL WAVES OF PMS
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
--MaryBeth
ME NOT SO HORNY
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."
--MaryBeth
NEW TO GROUP
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>
WASTED 10 YEARS
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
WAS HORRIBLE
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"
--MaryBeth
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"Rocky" <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@xxxxxxxxxxx> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
From: Rocky (2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
> joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
From: Rocky <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about agility
> is that people seem to think that ALL dogs are fragile,
> shrinking flowers who cannot be corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take correction so
much to heart -- I'll try something different. Right now, he's
just getting the confidence to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (mbon...@xxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@xxxxxxx (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
> suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
> that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
> the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
> crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
From: Rocky <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????
Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking was to
> run faster than my dad and NOT GET CAUGHT. so what does
> that say?
I learned to put a comic book down the back of my pants. And
sometimes my parents pretended not to notice. In retrospect,
that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918australianshepherdca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"dallygirl" <kwickwick@xxxxxxxxxxx> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many cases
> causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of dogs'
well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
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